The funny thing is Mayor Bloomberg of New York has been touting Delaware as a sucess for a couple of Months now even though the ban has been in effect for 3 weeks.

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"It may take awhile for the nonsmokers to discover," that Delaware establishments are smoke-free."

If that wasn't so tragic that would be funny.

Of course everybody knows Delaware is smoke free. That is why you are losing money stupid.

These politicans will go on believing this nonsense forever. They are mistakenly basing it on the fact that 25% of people are smokers and 75% are not and polls done by the antismoking nazis show that a majority of nonsmokers "SAY" the will go out more if bans are put in place.

The flaws in that are

1) They assume because 75% don't smoke that means that 75% of peoiple feel the same way about cigarettes as the antismoker Nazis that are in their face lobbying them do. Not true, Most nonsmokers don't care about smoking. Even if they dislike smoking that doesn't mean they are currently changing anything they do to avoid it. An analogy is me personally I don't like SUVs but I am not driving less because there are SUVs on the road. The same is true with most nonsmokers. Most are not going out any less because there is smoking in bars & Resturants.

2) In fact the Opposite is happening as the bans cause smokers to flee to surrounding areas their non-smokeing freinds are joining them and in many cases they are even arranging there get togethers (like weddings & parties)in places that accomendate their smoking friends. Using myself again me and bunch of friends smokers and non-smokers this summer were going down to NYC for a trip but because of the smoking ban we are going up to Montreal instead. Not one of the nonsmokers protested this descision, They also think the ban is a stupid idea.

3) The polls are coming from the Antismoking Nazis themslves so they are obviously biased.

4) The polls are flawed because What people SAY they are going to do is often very different from what they actually end up doing. Another analogy is if you were to take a poll before New Years asking what resolutions people are planning on you would find 60%-80% would say they are going to lose weight. So would those poll numbers justify banning junk food because most people SAY they want to lose weight. Of course not and the same is true with smoking bans. Sure when asked they may say they will go out more just like they say they will lose weight but in reality they don't. That is why these bans are failing big time , The people who said they would go out more simply aren't.

5) What exactly does "Go out more" mean anyhow? It's a vague question with a vague meaning. The fact is most people don't go to bars & resturants on a regular basis anyhow. So If they call some 50 year old mother of 3 who only goes out 1 or twice a year and she responses "Yes I would go out more" what does that mean she will go out 3 times a year instead of 2? Well sorry she doesn't replace the buisness lost to someone who goes out more often.

6) OK, Some antismoking Nazis might go out more often but I am sorry if someone is that Prissy about second hand smoke they are not the type that will stay out late at night at a bar or resturant. These are the type of people that go to a resturant and only order a salad and bottle water and leave a dollar tip and then are home in bed by 8:30.

I have delt with these antismoking nazis and they the most misable, unfunloving people in the world, They are not hanging out in bars because people are having fun there and they hate that.

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It should be up to the business owner if he/she wants to allow smoking.

Dallas is in trouble, money-wise, and what do they do - vote a smoking ban.

I would like to have seen smokers get together, buy media time and announce they would not spend a nickle in Dallas during Christmas. If they would have just taken their business to other towns without the restrictive laws, it would have made a difference. Unfortunately, Americans do not fight back. WE just sit and take it, anything the want to dish out.

I have dealt with these antismoking nazis and they are the most miserable, unfunloving people in the world,.. (sp corrected)

I beg to differ! I quit smoking over a month ago after smoking for 40 years. Cold turkey! PEOPLE should not be allowed to smoke in any public place. I see someone smoking on the streets and I lecture them, telling them of the evils of smoking. I.......... wait a minute, I think there is some law that requires me to say these crazy things since I quit. Somebody slap me!

Not the ZOT- PLEEEEZE!

Dallas City Council put that vote on the ban off until 2003 because there was a beginning groundswell of negative information. You know, things like, people losing jobs, a worsoning economy, ect... Apparently, hurting the economy will be a good idea NEXT year.

You smoked for 40 years so that means you enjoyed it.

Now that you choose not to smoke, You can't stand the fact that people are enjoying themselves in an activity you no longer participate in.

Typical.


BTW. For the last time. Resturants, Bars, Bowling Alleys, Pool Halls, ETC. ARE NOT public places they are PRIVATE buisness on Private property.

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the solution is obvious. Remove the doors .

Gov. Ruth Ann Minner has said she would oppose efforts to repeal or amend the law, which prohibits smoking indoors at public places, including businesses, casinos, bars, restaurants and tap rooms.

I didn't know it got tabled as I haven't listened to the news in a while. Thanks. I just thought it was the most assinine thing knowing the condition of the economy in Dallas.

But the only power the American has is his purchasing power - his pocketbook -and we refuse to use it.

I have delt with these antismoking nazis and they the most misable, unfunloving people in the world, They are not hanging out in bars because people are having fun there and they hate that.

You said it exactly right!

Delaware:

They are open to the public. Anyway I really thought that you could see my attempt at humor-- NOW APPOLOGIZE to me, you hurt my feelings and I'm on edge since quitting smoking and yes I did enjoy smoking. And yes, Rob Reiner and all of the tobacco Nazis can go to hell. Now go re-read my original post.

I like going to smoke free places. I hate smelling like a chimney later, so smoke-free makes me happy. I don't care if smokers don't have a place in public to smoke. Smoking is so bad for you why do it at all?

Ok, i read that like I was talking through my nose, like some liberal Nazi and it was funny.

They are not open to the public but instead they invite the public in. They can pick and choose who comes in and refuse service to anyone and throw anybody out who they don't like.
Like a bowling league for example. Plus what about all these smoking bans that include private clubs?

And before you say what if a buisness decided to ban Blacks, Sorry but that is discrimination which unlike Tobacco is against the law.

If I missed your attempt at humor I am sorry.

"I think there is some law that requires me to say these crazy things since I quit. Somebody slap me!"

From my original post "Somebody slap me!" Damn it that's humor!

Now I agree a business SHOULD have the right to control his own business. I hope more smoking establishments are opened across the borders to draw business away from the Nazi states.

Somebody slap me!

I was about to go two steps further till I caught your sarcasm........ :)

I knew that part was humor but I wasn't sure about the other parts.

So OK will I offer you a full and sincere Apology

I like going to smoke free places. I hate smelling like a chimney later, so smoke-free makes me happy. I don't care if smokers don't have a place in public to smoke.

The only smoke free places I know of certainly aren't much fun. Those that I have frequented were inhabited by a couple people adjacent to me who were obviously in need of showers and deodorant. So tell me, what am I to do? Body odor offends me so I think we are in need of a BO Bill which requires such offenders be prohibited from any public/private establishment. You with me on this one or are you the typical smoke-nazi hypocrite?